[12–35–2019 01:35 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 At some point, maybe in the recent developer betas of iOS, “tap to scroll to top” while selecting a shortcut was fixed and I am very happy
[12–36–2019 01:36 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Now I can select a shortcut and move it to the top or bottom immediately
[12–58–2019 01:58 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Wait even weirder, it might only work while I am using the Apple Pencil - since there’s no “touch” input registered, I can still tap to scroll to top. But when I’m not using the pencil it doesn’t work…
Oh well, it works! 🤷
[03–35–2019 09:35 PM] HilliTech#2480 I have the old shortcuts app on my iPad Pro but the new one on my iphone? Hmmmm
[04–28–2019 12:28 AM] BastianInuk#2009 you on 13? 😮
[04–30–2019 01:30 AM] HilliTech#2480 I’m on the dev beta on every device. iPhone, iPad Pro, iPad mini, Mac mini, Apple Watch
[04–40–2019 02:40 AM] BastianInuk#2009 damn!
[04–41–2019 02:41 AM] BastianInuk#2009 I can’t unxib xcode, and my iPhone won’t show in finder
[04–36–2019 09:36 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 I am only on the beta on my 11” iPad. Because lots of apps are not launching for me.
[04–42–2019 09:42 AM] HilliTech#2480 Luckily my photography and writing apps are all that is crucial, so updating wasn’t too much of a danger. Most everything is smooth here
[04–43–2019 09:43 AM] HilliTech#2480 App grouping is broken when trying to add an app to split view that isnt in the dock. That is my biggest annoyance so far
[04–44–2019 09:44 AM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 Yeah that was in the release notes.
[04–44–2019 09:44 AM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 I’m having to live vicariously through you @HilliTech
[04–44–2019 09:44 AM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 No Mac to flash the beta.
[04–46–2019 09:46 AM] HilliTech#2480 😢 beta 2s drop a week or two from the first one. And since this one is buggy we should see an update sooner rather than later
[04–47–2019 09:47 AM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 I’m hopeful that it’ll go back to profiles before the public beta.
[04–48–2019 09:48 AM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 As I said in our message group Hilli, wanting to make some training materials for teachers that cover iPadOS
[04–49–2019 09:49 AM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 With the oldest devices being iPad 2 and iPad mini 4 offering support, lots of schools will need support on new features and ways of working.
[07–24–2019 03:24 PM] Kieran Mansfield#5416 I’m very tempted to install iOS 13 when the public beta comes out as long as it’s not as buggy as iOS 11 😂
[07–26–2019 03:26 PM] BastianInuk#2009 I am not saying it’s buggy
[07–27–2019 03:27 PM] BastianInuk#2009 But I got 6 inquiries in feedback app
[07–13–2019 06:13 PM] Kieran Mansfield#5416 Also 3D Touch has been replaced with haptic touch and apparently it’s slow and not great… 🙄
[07–06–2019 10:06 PM] HilliTech#2480 Its hard to judge that based on beta 1. Could be an issue with deployment targets being glitched. We shall see what they intend in later betas.
[12–13–2019 06:13 AM] koshakji#0791 Does Siri show the list and ask for selection if you have a Choose from List action in a Shortcut?
[12–03–2019 08:03 AM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 Thats me on the Catalina and iPadOS betas. So far they seem fine. iPadOS is stable on my Pro. I pushed Catalina hard on this 2014 Mac mini yesterday and it struggled. Think it may have been the mac more than anything else.
[12–03–2019 08:03 AM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 Today its fine. Installed iPadOS no problem despite issues yesterday.
[12–41–2019 12:41 PM] Verso#7005 I tend to stick to the Star Trek Movie rule of betas: Only bother with the even numbered ones (:
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[12–50–2019 02:50 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @koshakji Most of the Siri stuff isn’t working in b1, but yes it should work
[12–51–2019 02:51 PM] koshakji#0791 That’s awesome! I was afraid it was just for 3rd party apps
[13–12–2019 02:12 AM] BastianInuk#2009 Siri often complains of lack of internet when I try and turn off light bulbs
[14–03–2019 09:03 AM] J_#6969
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[14–04–2019 09:04 AM] J_#6969 I saw this last night. I really like this.
[14–04–2019 09:04 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Nice!
[14–04–2019 09:04 AM] BastianInuk#2009 Flag day?
[14–05–2019 09:05 AM] J_#6969 Not flag day so much as if it was the Sunday before Memorial Day or something, it would remind me to not wake up early.
[14–06–2019 09:06 AM] BastianInuk#2009 What self centered country has a flag day?
[14–06–2019 09:06 AM] BastianInuk#2009 http://www.justitsministeriet.dk/sites/default/files/media/Arbejdsomraader/Flagning/officielle_flagdage_2019.pdf
[14–06–2019 09:06 AM] BastianInuk#2009 Mine has a lot
[14–06–2019 09:06 AM] BastianInuk#2009 19
[14–07–2019 09:07 AM] J_#6969 Ha, damn
[17–16–2019 12:16 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 Beta 2 out now, sacrificing my iPhone now.
[17–17–2019 12:17 PM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 Is it an OTA @Christopher Lawley ?
[17–17–2019 12:17 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 Yep!
[17–17–2019 12:17 PM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 Not showing up for me yet.
[17–18–2019 12:18 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 The servers must be getting hit hard right now, it says it’ll take an hour to download.
[17–18–2019 12:18 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 I would just give it a minute, it’ll show up.
[17–23–2019 12:23 PM] BastianInuk#2009 hype!
[17–23–2019 12:23 PM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 Showing up now.
[17–27–2019 12:27 PM] BastianInuk#2009 not for me
[17–27–2019 12:27 PM] BastianInuk#2009 can I like connect to your cache?
[17–27–2019 12:27 PM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 Back to profiles @BastianInuk
[17–27–2019 12:27 PM] BastianInuk#2009 maybe it goes geographically closedt to the hq?
[17–04–2019 01:04 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 The only thing that’s keeping me from putting it on my iPad Pro is that LumaFusion 2.0 export is broke on iOS 13/iPadOS. It’s kind of something I need.
[17–14–2019 02:14 PM] Verso#7005 Thanks for the b2 heads up! I think I’ve convinced Mr Kelly to volunteer his iPad Air 2 as tribute
[17–04–2019 03:04 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Here’s the new actions I’ve found https://twitter.com/mattcassinelli/status/1140706769896742912?s=21
{Embed} Matthew Cassinelli (@mattcassinelli) https://twitter.com/mattcassinelli/status/1140706769896742912?s=21 Four new actions in Shortcuts from developer beta 2:
[17–07–2019 03:07 PM] koshakji#0791 Is there a way to toggle appearance? Like switch to the other based on which is currently active
[17–37–2019 03:37 PM] HilliTech#2480 Ah yes. This is exactly what thousands of dollars in hardware should amount to: the ability to play runescape with a mouse on an external display. 😂
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[17–38–2019 03:38 PM] HilliTech#2480 But seriously, apps like LumaFusion work great like this!
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[17–31–2019 04:31 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 Except when you need to export. 😆
[17–03–2019 05:03 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 My shortcuts are fixed!
[17–34–2019 05:34 PM] HilliTech#2480 Yay!!
[17–35–2019 05:35 PM] HilliTech#2480 My only issue so far is my camera workflow is broken. The camera shows up in files, i can see the raw images, but when i try to copy them out, i get an error stating that the container app didnt respond. Big oof
[17–36–2019 05:36 PM] HilliTech#2480 So right now my workaround is import with the Mac mini to my USB C drive i use for my ipad.
[18–50–2019 01:50 AM] BastianInuk#2009 Dope!
[18–50–2019 01:50 AM] BastianInuk#2009 I didn’t realise I had to get the profile to get beta 2 OTA
[18–11–2019 04:11 AM] BastianInuk#2009 I encountered something that I can’t tell if intended behaviour, do I #FileARadar™?
[18–11–2019 04:11 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Yes
[18–11–2019 04:11 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 If it’s not clear that its intended behaviour then they ought to know about it. They can always close it as intended behaviour
[18–12–2019 04:12 AM] BastianInuk#2009 Thx rose
[18–12–2019 04:12 AM] BastianInuk#2009 this chat will be screenshotted as example of the issue
[18–13–2019 04:13 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 🤔
[18–16–2019 04:16 AM] BastianInuk#2009
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[18–17–2019 04:17 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Highlighting the input?
[18–22–2019 04:22 AM] BastianInuk#2009 Yeh
[18–22–2019 04:22 AM] BastianInuk#2009 It’s worse in feedback.apo
[18–22–2019 04:22 AM] BastianInuk#2009
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[18–41–2019 04:41 AM] BastianInuk#2009 FB6166836 for anyone interested
[18–25–2019 07:25 PM] leddy#3717 Anyone on beta2 able to run a Shortcut on a locked phone that could not be run before without opening the phone?
[15–46–2019 02:46 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @leddy Do you have a specific example? I can test it
[15–46–2019 02:46 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I was hoping there’d be another beta today, but I’ve lost track of the cycle
[15–21–2019 10:21 PM] leddy#3717 @Matthew Cassinelli Spence getting the public beta I’ve been playing around with some test Shortcuts on IOS 13 to see which actions can be run without opening the phone. Here is one.
[15–28–2019 10:28 PM] leddy#3717 https://share.icloud.com/photos/0bvTID-5QCAq3VCJ8pq3xmP3Q#Home
[15–32–2019 10:32 PM] leddy#3717 Sorry. Not that one. This one. https://share.icloud.com/photos/0bViCnOKv-hUKKa0uf5YR-YiA
[16–08–2019 12:08 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Hello beta plz
[16–09–2019 12:09 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @leddy Can you post the image here? I can’t see that on iOS 13
[16–11–2019 12:11 PM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 We’re due a developer beta today aren’t we? Dev beta 3 was 2nd July.
[16–13–2019 12:13 PM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 There’s a 4th Catalina Beta so I’d imagine iOS/iPadOS aren’t too far behind.
[16–40–2019 12:40 PM] leddy#3717 That’s. Your message came up while I’m listening to you on Super Computer. Truly we live in magical times. 🧙♂️
[16–41–2019 12:41 PM] leddy#3717 This is IOS 12.
[16–42–2019 12:42 PM] leddy#3717
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[16–42–2019 12:42 PM] leddy#3717
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[16–43–2019 12:43 PM] leddy#3717 And this is IOS 13.
[16–44–2019 12:44 PM] leddy#3717
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[16–21–2019 01:21 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I’ll test on the next beta if you send me the link
[16–41–2019 04:41 PM] leddy#3717 Sorry. Got called away. Here are the rest of the screen shots with the IOS 13
[16–42–2019 04:42 PM] leddy#3717
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[16–43–2019 04:43 PM] leddy#3717
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[16–44–2019 04:44 PM] leddy#3717
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[16–45–2019 04:45 PM] leddy#3717
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[16–46–2019 04:46 PM] leddy#3717
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[16–49–2019 04:49 PM] leddy#3717 So you can now keep asking Siri questions in the Shortcuts app with out having to open the phone. This is very cool. There are so many ideas swirling in my head about different use cases.
[16–24–2019 05:24 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Oh nice it does work, cool. I bet if it has to access personal information it won’t
[17–49–2019 12:49 PM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 We have betas….
[17–50–2019 12:50 PM] koshakji#0791 New dev betas?
[17–50–2019 12:50 PM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 Yeah dev beta 4.
[17–25–2019 02:25 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Everything is so fast
[17–31–2019 08:31 PM] nahumck#8444 I need to know that it’s not losing data and that specific apps work. I’ll give it a few days. Even though it would be nice to do it while I’m not working
[18–42–2019 02:42 PM] leddy#3717 Public Beta 3 is out.
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[18–13–2019 03:13 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Anyone trying the public beta so far?
[18–16–2019 03:16 PM] koshakji#0791 I’m on public beta 2 on my iPhone and iPad. Downloading the update now
[18–23–2019 03:23 PM] koshakji#0791 (It’s gonna take a while though, I have really slow internet 😂)
[18–37–2019 04:37 PM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 Pleased to see more than 8 menu items are now working in pb3, now would be good to fix the prompts on the menus, I often use a multi line text box for the prompt at present it displays only the last line. Just sending a radar now
[18–54–2019 04:54 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @nikond3 (Control Centre) I do that same thing, I’ll file it too
[18–55–2019 04:55 PM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 @Matthew Cassinelli just noticed it only happens with more than 7 items on the menu
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[18–00–2019 05:00 PM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 Anybody getting deleted shortcuts reappear after restarting shortcut app?
[18–15–2019 05:15 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I was but eventually it stopped
[18–23–2019 08:23 PM] leddy#3717 If statement conditions still only offer two conditions if there are more than one share sheet input option.
[18–44–2019 11:44 PM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 @leddy you mean like this?
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[18–45–2019 11:45 PM] leddy#3717 Is that on the iPad?
[18–45–2019 11:45 PM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 Yes
[18–46–2019 11:46 PM] leddy#3717 I wonder if there different bugs between IOS and iPad IOS now?
[18–47–2019 11:47 PM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 Most likely but if you change the options from anything then add them back in this is how I got this to work, I don’t think it’s a bug just a set of conditions.
[18–49–2019 11:49 PM] leddy#3717 This is what i get when i add just one more input option.
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[18–55–2019 11:55 PM] leddy#3717
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[19–04–2019 12:04 AM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 Yes I can repeat that exactly the same.
[19–07–2019 12:07 AM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 Click on the shortcut input and change it from App Store to date or text now it’s conditional
[19–08–2019 12:08 AM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 It’s not a bug just setting up!
[19–10–2019 12:10 AM] leddy#3717 Ha. Ok. When you say “just setting up” what do you mean?
[19–13–2019 12:13 AM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 Shortcuts are dumb till you tell them what to do like any computer setting up the correct parameters it’s frustrating getting I know but just try clicking things, that’s how you find out I came across this with something I was trying to do a month ago that’s how I found out.
[19–17–2019 12:17 AM] leddy#3717 Ah. I think I see what you’re saying. The thing of it is I was able to have more than one input in “If” actions and still have more than 2 conditional options in IOS 12 but now can’t seem to get the same conditions in IOS 13.
[19–22–2019 12:22 AM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 iOS 13 is a game changer it’s parameter based now ios 12 was more condition based I.e if the weather is raining yes or now, now it’s more like Will it rain today if so when and where, there is more bang for your buck.
[19–06–2019 10:06 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I feel like this should work without you having to coerce the Shortcut Input variable
[19–36–2019 10:36 AM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 Yes I agree, that image above there is another story to it, it only works with DATE AND TIME would be much more useful with time only. Already sent a radar.
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[19–27–2019 08:27 PM] BerserkHippo#2742 Does anyone else really hate the new Update UI in the App Store? It’s weird to me that they made the OS more iPad specific and changed the update dialog from full screen to tiny window
[20–38–2019 01:38 AM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 You can add to that the shortcuts menus we make are so small on iPad already radar that too crazy.
[20–07–2019 03:07 AM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 Here is a very interesting read on some of the excellent features the iOS 13 team got right and the complete opposite where they didn’t
https://www.reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/cfg0o1/some_changes_to_shortcuts_in_ios_13_public_beta/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app
{Embed} https://www.reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/cfg0o1/some_changes_to_shortcuts_in_ios_13_public_beta/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app r/shortcuts - Some changes to Shortcuts in iOS 13 public beta are … 5 votes and 7 comments so far on Reddit https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/eftJo8296MkcZmGhLIbq7kN0jtmQr-Rlc4U71kKLG60/%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3Daa22d9728092fb0b741b552c87a39f758b011e00/https/external-preview.redd.it/JEHZszJrYELjQBmrPtzfM0zQRkrKKVNTFz55G2P3emk.jpg
[20–27–2019 09:27 AM] Mathæyós#4835 Why am I getting notifications for this channel even though I have it muted??
[22–34–2019 11:34 AM] prolost#9517 Hi @nikond3 (Control Centre) , thanks for beating me to the punch and posting that link to my Reddit post. I wanted to share it here in hopes of stimulating some discussion and maybe gathering some support for the ideas.
https://www.reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/cfg0o1/some_changes_to_shortcuts_in_ios_13_public_beta/
{Embed} https://www.reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/cfg0o1/some_changes_to_shortcuts_in_ios_13_public_beta/ r/shortcuts - Some changes to Shortcuts in iOS 13 public beta are … 15 votes and 13 comments so far on Reddit
[22–29–2019 05:29 PM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 No problem, I added a large part to it too, and I know it caught the eye of the right people too. @prolost
[22–50–2019 05:50 PM] prolost#9517 Awesome, thank you!
[22–54–2019 05:54 PM] prolost#9517 And if anyone is still on iOS 12, Gram Master is now available: https://proloststore.com/products/grammaster
{Embed} https://proloststore.com/products/grammaster Gram Master Compose perfect Instagram captions with managed hashtags. https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/ydZ0meoAErytyJvxn9iwqaElv6fbRDKLqN8jfIj8H-U/%3Fformat%3D1500w/http/static1.squarespace.com/static/55ee8e41e4b0c3a6507016bc/55ee8ecde4b0b7c8a56eed63/5d34ed0c50f69e0001021e9a/1563834648981/iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAGQAAABkCAIAAAD%253AgAIDAAAACXBIWXMAAAABAAAAAQBPJcTWAAAA-2.png
[24–19–2019 03:19 PM] prolost#9517 Update: There’s an iOS 13 version there now too.
[24–12–2019 06:12 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @prolost How’s it been updating your shortcuts for iOS 13? Aside from the issues above
[25–03–2019 07:03 AM] BastianInuk#2009 So is the duplicate dirs in iCloud on iOS 13 common?
[25–14–2019 11:14 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 It’ll be fixed in the next release
[25–14–2019 11:14 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 They had it in the works but it didn’t make it into the last beta
[25–48–2019 03:48 PM] BastianInuk#2009 Also files.app is unbearable slow!
[25–50–2019 03:50 PM] BastianInuk#2009 Thanks for the headsup btw!
[29–49–2019 12:49 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Someone on Twitter is saying Automations are totally gone in this update 🙀
[29–49–2019 12:49 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Probably bugs, but damn it’ll be a month unable to test these
[29–57–2019 12:57 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Oh dear.
[29–00–2019 01:00 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 https://twitter.com/johnvoorhees/status/1155900580856045568
{Embed} John Voorhees (@johnvoorhees) https://twitter.com/johnvoorhees/status/1155900580856045568 The Personal Automation feature of Home (which we cover on @appstoriesnet today and let you use NFC stickers as triggers, hook into web APIs and a lot via Shortcuts) is also gone. 😔 Twitter
[29–01–2019 01:01 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 https://twitter.com/viticci/status/1155900103024107521
{Embed} Federico Viticci (@viticci) https://twitter.com/viticci/status/1155900103024107521 In iOS 13 beta 5, Personal automation (triggers, NFC, etc.) has been removed from Shortcuts. It appears that Shortcuts-based HomeKit automations are gone too.
I hope this is just temporary. Would suck if Apple didn’t ship these major features at all. https://t.co/5YWd8WIh… Twitter
[29–18–2019 01:18 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Only temporary! https://twitter.com/mattcassinelli/status/1155903878786736129
{Embed} Matthew Cassinelli (@mattcassinelli) https://twitter.com/mattcassinelli/status/1155903878786736129 Developer beta 5 is missing Shortcuts Automations, but they’ll be back!
(I assume this will affect Public beta 3 as well) https://t.co/CpgnOrCiMD Twitter
[29–25–2019 01:25 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Darn slow data!
[29–34–2019 01:34 PM] koshakji#0791 It feels slightly worrisome that such a big feature is disabled this close to release
[29–34–2019 02:34 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I think it’s just a bug. We have 3 more releases likely
[29–34–2019 02:34 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 And part of the timing of when it might’ve been fixed. They close the seed a few days early
[29–12–2019 06:12 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 FB6854875 (Calendar/Dates/Contacts actions have no category; only discoverable by search)
[30–13–2019 12:13 PM] leddy#3717 Public Beta 4 is out.
[30–19–2019 12:19 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Dope
[30–19–2019 12:19 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @everyone Who here is on the beta? (Or, if you’re not upgrading)
[30–20–2019 12:20 PM] apulianas#1491 I’ve been contemplating installing the latest
[30–20–2019 12:20 PM] apulianas#1491 Sounds like it’s where it needs to be
[30–20–2019 12:20 PM] britishxninja#7127 I installed it last night on my iPad
[30–20–2019 12:20 PM] safesolvent#0301 On beta 5 (the most speedy and stable yet) for iOS on an iPhone XS Max
[30–20–2019 12:20 PM] Adamas#8790 I’m on Public Beta on all my devices (main iPhone, main iPad) except my Mac and I put the Watch OS Dev on my main watch because I hate battery life.
[30–20–2019 12:20 PM] andrew_mason1#0986 I’m on the betas on my iPad Pro and my phone
[30–20–2019 12:20 PM] andrew_mason1#0986 Gotta love those nightly ipad restarts!@
[30–21–2019 12:21 PM] BastianInuk#2009 I am on dev beta 4
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[30–21–2019 12:21 PM] BastianInuk#2009 upgrading now ttyl
[30–21–2019 12:21 PM] safesolvent#0301 I had to remove watchOS beta because my S1 Watch was barely lasting an hour+
[30–21–2019 12:21 PM] Jeroen#4356 I’m staying off of the betas this time around. I want to experience iOS 13 once it’s out of testing.
[30–21–2019 12:21 PM] Adamas#8790 @safesolvent You can remove a WatchOS beta ?
[30–22–2019 12:22 PM] andrew_mason1#0986 @Adamas sure just takes 15 reboots and a month
[30–22–2019 12:22 PM] Adamas#8790 @andrew_mason1 Ouch
[30–23–2019 12:23 PM] Wizardgold#4637 I have the iPad OS beta - Only because I have a spare iPad to put it on.
[30–23–2019 12:23 PM] J_#6969 On the macOS and iOS dev betas. A little rough around the edges but not too bad.
[30–23–2019 12:23 PM] Wizardgold#4637 That is the public beta - not the developer
[30–24–2019 12:24 PM] J_#6969 iA Writer broke on the last Catalina update though.
[30–35–2019 12:35 PM] HilliTech#2480 Beta everything
[30–42–2019 12:42 PM] BastianInuk#2009 I’m on iOS 13 beta 5 now
[30–43–2019 12:43 PM] BastianInuk#2009 Mac is still on 4
[30–48–2019 12:48 PM] dinakar91#7167 Running beta on my iPad Pro
[30–53–2019 12:53 PM] andrew_mason1#0986 Wondering if anyone else had this experience: was trying to install public beta 4, but the “Install Now” was greyed out. I had to go in and manually turn off automatic updates to be able to tap it. Is this new behavior?
[30–53–2019 12:53 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 I have but I regret going to beta 5. There is a ton of little things broke.
[30–01–2019 01:01 PM] andrew_mason1#0986 Huh beta 4 just took me to “setting up your iphone” and I nearly had a panic attack. Made me pick my preference between light/dark mode again and everything
[30–04–2019 01:04 PM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 I’m on PB4 still some issues in shortcuts to be fixed by the look of it.
[30–25–2019 01:25 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @Christopher Lawley What broke?
[30–25–2019 01:25 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I will probably start sharing iOS 13 shortcuts in here now at least
[30–28–2019 02:28 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 @Matthew Cassinelli Mail on the iPad is frozen, no matter what I do. Widgets are showing unable to load a lot of the time. Still can’t get apps to work in slide over from spotlight. There was a couple other things, but they’re not coming to mind right now. The big one was mail, I’ll have to install spark.
[30–30–2019 02:30 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 Oh having a VPN enabled causes the WiFi to drop, though this maybe self inflicted, I need to test this at home.
[30–30–2019 08:30 PM] EconWriter#1131 @Christopher Lawley Ugh. Haven’t updated my iPad Pro to developer beta 5 yet, but the Mail app on the Catalina beta crashes every five minutes or so. The Mail app on my iPhone (which is on dev beta 5) throws up a “new email” screen every time I open it.
[31–39–2019 07:39 AM] Christopher Lawley#0452 So for some reason Mail is working perfect now. 🤷♂️
[31–40–2019 12:40 PM] Brydkoden.dk#4761 @Matthew Cassinelli can you share the biking directions shortcut?
[31–29–2019 01:29 PM] J_#6969 Catalina Dev Beta 5 now released, no notes yet.
[31–29–2019 01:29 PM] J_#6969
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[06–29–2019 03:29 PM] BastianInuk#2009 Jesus they made it difficult to install spotify in catalina
[06–30–2019 03:30 PM] BastianInuk#2009 “But Bastian” I hear you say “You subscribe to Apple Music, I know, because I saw you follow Matthew!” Yeah, but I’m making a Viticci
[07–46–2019 09:46 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Lol what are you up to?
[07–08–2019 10:08 AM] BastianInuk#2009 I tried to install spotify in Catalina so I could test my new sound card
[07–18–2019 01:18 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Oh my, another beta so soon?
[08–50–2019 07:50 PM] nahumck#8444 I’m full on beta now. No turning back
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[08–50–2019 07:50 PM] koshakji#0791 Welcome to beta life!
[08–52–2019 07:52 PM] koshakji#0791 How are you finding it so far?
[08–09–2019 08:09 PM] nahumck#8444 So far so good
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[08–23–2019 08:23 PM] koshakji#0791 What do you think of the new Reminders? I loved your Rethinking Reminders article a while ago and would love to know your thoughts on what we got in this update
[08–42–2019 08:42 PM] nahumck#8444 Oh, give me a bit. Had it installed for like 3 hours 😜
[08–43–2019 08:43 PM] nahumck#8444 From what I’ve seen: great start. Is it everything? No. But it might be enough.
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[09–42–2019 04:42 AM] Daryl#5727 I should stop lurking and say hello! My name is Daryl and I’m addicted to iPadOS Betas, and subsequently the new Shortcuts. It’s finally clicked for me 🕺🏼
[09–41–2019 05:41 PM] leddy#3717 Up graded to public 5 and I’m still getting the mysterious deleted Shortcuts returning from the dead bug. Makes me think they still have issues with iCloud. Think I’ll still hold off putting IOS13 on my primary devices until that gets cleared up.
[12–02–2019 06:02 AM] BastianInuk#2009
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[12–02–2019 06:02 AM] BastianInuk#2009 Entire code
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[12–09–2019 06:09 AM] BastianInuk#2009 For context: Xcode Beta 5, Catalina beta 5
[12–17–2019 03:17 PM] tedsvo#2044 Hi folks! I’m on the iOS 13 beta and am trying to figure out how to feed information to Siri without having to launch the app. I thought “Ask for Input” would do it, but whenever I trigger it via Siri it just kicks me into Shortcuts with a prompt to enter my input. Any way I can do this fully by voice, with device locked?
[12–18–2019 03:18 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Have you tried the dictation action?
[12–20–2019 03:20 PM] tedsvo#2044 Hm, but that still requires unlocking the device. I had thought that we could use standard “ask for input” actions which we could enter by text if we triggered the shortcut with touch, and via Siri if we triggered it via Airpods or voice. Is that not the case?
[12–29–2019 03:29 PM] koshakji#0791 I remeber this working in an earlier beta, I can’t get it to work with pub;ic beta 5
[12–30–2019 03:30 PM] tedsvo#2044 Maybe that’s what it is. I could’ve sworn this worked at some point. @Matthew Cassinelli can you confirm?
[12–17–2019 11:17 PM] leddy#3717 Yeah. Same here. All my Siri “conversation” Shortcuts no longer work. Get “you need to unlock your iPhone first”. Put in a Feedback. Hope that gets sores out soon.
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[13–33–2019 11:33 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I think they’ve been adjusting Siri stuff on the server side
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[13–28–2019 03:28 PM] koshakji#0791 I really wish they could push all Siri processing to be on device
[15–40–2019 12:40 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 New beta is out and automation and pin files still isn’t back. Here’s hopping it’s soon.
[15–57–2019 12:57 PM] leddy#3717 Now I’m worried.
[15–15–2019 02:15 PM] leddy#3717 I wonder if they are overhauling Siri. I’m having trouble invoking my automated devices from HomePod. Even though my main devices are still on IOS12.
[15–30–2019 11:30 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 https://www.reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/cr061i/automations_has_been_removed_from_whats_new_in/
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[15–49–2019 11:49 PM] leddy#3717 No doubt that’s a let down. But I’d rather they wait and get it right then it to be buggy and unreliable. 😕
[16–47–2019 05:47 AM] koshakji#0791 Did anybody find it buggy and unreliable when it was available? I only tested a bit but it worked fine while I had it
[16–49–2019 05:49 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 It worked great for me.
[16–52–2019 05:52 AM] koshakji#0791 It seems weird to me that I didn’t hear/see anyone complaining about bugs/instabiltiy in automation. It feels like maybe a security issue
[16–07–2019 06:07 AM] BastianInuk#2009 I tworked awesome fo rme
[16–16–2019 06:16 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Maybe the “confirm to run” was built in deep down and ripping that out is hard work? Or perhaps there’s a security flaw we don’t know about.
[16–44–2019 08:44 AM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 So PB6 Is out still not fixed please could you send a radar so we can get this fixed.
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[16–01–2019 12:01 PM] tedsvo#2044 Hey folks, anyone running the current watch beta? Thoughts on stability?
[16–48–2019 02:48 PM] koshakji#0791 From what I hear, the watch beta is usually very unstable. The earlier betas certainly were, but I haven’t heard anything about later betas
[18–18–2019 01:18 PM] tedsvo#2044 Anyone else getting “shortcuts is currently unavailable on HomePod” with iPhone on iOS 13?
[21–05–2019 02:05 PM] Andy#2906 Yep
[21–42–2019 04:42 PM] EconWriter#1131 Been having substantial issues (basically since the earliest dev betas) with mouse support on my iPad Pro. The mouse works as expected, but two things (bugs?) are quite infuriating and make mouse support with the iPad unusable. 1.) although I use a keyboard attached nearly 100% of the time (in particular, the Smart Keyboard cover, but I have the same problem with a Bluetooth connected Magic Keyboard), the software keyboard comes up every time I enter a text field. Dismissing the software keyboard makes the cursor disappear - so, in other words, I can only type using a hardware keyboard with the software keyboard taking up half the screen. Not ideal. Changing various settings in “Accessibility” does not change this. 2.) when I try to use the fast app switcher via the keyboard shortcut command-tab, the selector runs rapidly back and forth between all the selectable apps, like I’ve just pulled the lever on a slot machine. Can’t stop it without pressing command-tab again (and even then it doesn’t always stop). And it’s so quick it’s impossible to time it to stop on desired app (and, frankly, I don’t think the fast app switcher was designed to be a wait-for-it-oops!-just-missed-it sort of interaction). In other words, I know it was meant to be a “fast” app switcher, but not this fast! Plus, this occurs without any user interaction - it would continue to cycle through the apps rapidly if I simply took my hands off the keyboard.
[21–42–2019 04:42 PM] EconWriter#1131 So, is my first problem supposed to be how mouse support for the iPad works? And anybody experiencing the same thing with the fast app switcher as I am?
[24–57–2019 04:57 PM] prolost#9517 Is this a safe place to say that I think Shortcuts has mostly gotten worse in iOS 13? It feels like a lot of changes were made due to the introduction of Automations. Which has been removed. Temporarily, I’m sure, but in the meantime we’re left with one positive change to Shortcut editing — the concept of Actions having arbitrary inputs — that so far has brought with it plenty of strife, bugs, and more tap-intensive UX to do basic things. And then so many negatives. No more backing up Shortcuts to files. When our friends load our Shortcuts they have to scroll through the whole mess (as if that does anything) and press a terrifying red button. The Shortcuts editing experience has taken many steps back in usability, which I laboriously documented on Reddit to absolutely no result. The net is, I feel relief every time I go back to editing Shortcuts on my iOS 12 devices, and then sadness, because so much of what I love about the process is about to be taken away for a reason that has also been taken away.
[24–58–2019 04:58 PM] prolost#9517 Oops forgot to mention the forced search in Choose From list, which screws up my pretty menus. And the pointless tiny menus on iPad that once filled the screen.
[24–59–2019 04:59 PM] prolost#9517 I’m just very sad about all of it. I was having such a love affair with Shortcuts.
[24–02–2019 05:02 PM] koshakji#0791 I think the new editor could be an improvement, if refined. It’s worse now but I can get behind the thinking if they could improve it. I also like the search field (though maybe it should be optional) but the small menus on the iPad infuriate me
[24–03–2019 05:03 PM] koshakji#0791 Otherwise, I agree. It’s a small stepback, but I think automations and improvements to the current editor would make it a huge step forward
[24–07–2019 05:07 PM] prolost#9517 If the search was optional I’d be thrilled. It’s a great feature, but the threshold is 7 items, and it should be more like double that. And still optional.
[24–08–2019 05:08 PM] prolost#9517 I very much hope we’re in the “break a few eggs” phase of making a great omelette, but Apple usually doesn’t like to ship regressions, and these UX issues are massive regressions.
[26–48–2019 04:48 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @prolost Missed this all. Can you post your Reddit thread in here too?
[26–53–2019 04:53 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 After this next beta we should all make a new list of things to be fixed and I can make sure they know about them
[26–47–2019 08:47 PM] tedsvo#2044 That sounds great!
[26–47–2019 08:47 PM] tedsvo#2044 I still can’t get Siri to ask for input, but I imagine they’re aware of this.
[27–34–2019 12:34 AM] prolost#9517 @Matthew Cassinelli https://www.reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/cfg0o1/some_changes_to_shortcuts_in_ios_13_public_beta/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app
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[27–15–2019 01:15 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 I was not expecting to see 13.1!
[27–40–2019 01:40 PM] tedsvo#2044 Wow this is nuts!
[27–40–2019 01:40 PM] tedsvo#2044 Sounds like automations are back?
[27–46–2019 01:46 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Yup!
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[27–49–2019 01:49 PM] tedsvo#2044 iCloud folder sharing mayhaps? 🙏
[27–36–2019 02:36 PM] EconWriter#1131 @tedsvo Hmm. iCloud folder sharing doesn’t appear to be in this release.
[27–30–2019 03:30 PM] leddy#3717 Looks like Siri Ask For Input is back too! Happy Days!
[27–21–2019 04:21 PM] tedsvo#2044 Thanks Stephen, bummer. But yay for ask for input AND matched text groups working!
[27–39–2019 04:39 PM] tedsvo#2044 Dang, shortcuts still unavailable on HomePod
[27–40–2019 04:40 PM] tedsvo#2044 And Apple Watch
[27–00–2019 06:00 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 I was hoping to start filming my iOS 13 walkthrough this weekend. Now I’m not sure what I should do. Does iOS 13.1 feel buggier then 13.0 did? I may just stick to 13.0 current beta until I’m done filming everything. Better the devil you know.
[27–17–2019 06:17 PM] tedsvo#2044 13.1 feels quite stable
[27–17–2019 06:17 PM] tedsvo#2044 I’d say more so than prior beta
[27–18–2019 06:18 PM] EconWriter#1131 Feels very stable to me too. Definitely fixed many of the problems I had with earlier beta builds.
[27–41–2019 06:41 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I’m so glad to have Automations back
[27–27–2019 09:27 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 Mhmmmmmm maybe I’ll update my iPad and then showcase the features that are coming in 13.1 in my 13.0 walkthrough.
[27–35–2019 09:35 PM] tedsvo#2044 Do any of you have NFC tags you prefer over others?
[27–37–2019 09:37 PM] tedsvo#2044 Pinging @Matthew Cassinelli in particular
[27–48–2019 09:48 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 I’ve seen suggestions (on Reddit, so not official by any stretch) that 13.1 may be available shortly after launch and that 13.0 had to be put onto the new devices already.
[28–00–2019 02:00 AM] BastianInuk#2009 13.0 already flashed on the new iPhones?
[28–01–2019 02:01 AM] BastianInuk#2009 Damn!
[28–01–2019 02:01 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 I don’t know how realistic that is, but if there are significant hardware changes they may be expecting more sales than usual?
[28–23–2019 02:23 AM] BastianInuk#2009 I thought S revisions where the big sellers?
[28–23–2019 02:23 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Who knows what’s up.
[28–23–2019 02:23 AM] BastianInuk#2009 Regardless I’m now on the .1 train, twoot twoot
[28–35–2019 06:35 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @tedsvo I haven’t even tested mine yet!
[28–36–2019 06:36 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Is the general consensus that 13.1 will drop when the iPhone ships? I am seriously confused, will people not get Automations until October?
[28–36–2019 06:36 AM] tedsvo#2044 I have yet to see a consensus emerge
[28–36–2019 06:36 AM] tedsvo#2044 Gruber suggested October with iPads
[28–36–2019 06:36 AM] koshakji#0791 Why would they call it 13.1 then? I believe 13 will launch with the iPhones and 13.1 later
[28–37–2019 06:37 AM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 That’s a good question. There are no indications that this will be an iPhone only release. I’d imagine we could see the iPhones ship with iOS 13 and upgrade to 13.1 shortly after?
[28–32–2019 07:32 AM] tedsvo#2044 Re: NFC tags, while Launch Center Pro tags are keyed to LCP URLs, they do still work (they just also suggest opening LCP)
[28–45–2019 11:45 AM] EconWriter#1131 Mouse functionality is much less buggy on 13.1 , but some big bugs still persist. Having a mouse attached seems to disable most keyboard shortcuts on my iPad Pro, and I get lots of dropped keystrokes when typing. Command-tab doesn’t work at all. For that matter, no command-key based “keyboard accelerators” work. Can’t navigate in Safari with the keyboard either. This occurs with both the Magic Keyboard connected via Bluetooth and the Smart Keyboard cover. Anyone else experiencing this? Or is this supposed to be how it works (i.e., iOS assumes that if you have a mouse attached that you won’t be using a keyboard to navigate - although that would not explain the dropped keystrokes)?
[28–10–2019 12:10 PM] Verso#7005 It certainly sounds like we might be reliving the days where the first thing you did with your phone out of the box was check for updates
[28–38–2019 12:38 PM] leddy#3717 Public Beta 13.1 is out. My gut feeling is they will push out 13.1 sooner than later.
[28–40–2019 12:40 PM] tedsvo#2044 13.1 beta 1 🙂
[28–46–2019 12:46 PM] leddy#3717 I’ve been holding off putting the betas on my main devices but I’m diving in with 13.1. The strange thing is they will probably never be loaded with 13.0!
[28–06–2019 02:06 PM] tedsvo#2044 @EconWriter I have not encountered this. Every now and then the keyboard will get funky and I’ll just disconnect and reconnect the mouse
[28–06–2019 02:06 PM] tedsvo#2044 One thing I noticed is that having both a Smart Keyboard and BT keyboard connected simultaneously is a bad idea. What kind of mouse have you been using?
[28–06–2019 02:06 PM] tedsvo#2044 I must say, being able to map right click to “long press” is absolutely awesome
[28–17–2019 02:17 PM] EconWriter#1131 @tedsvo I absolutely love mouse support when it works for me. And even before iOS 13 betas, the disconnect-and-reconnect thing worked for me too - but, alas, doesn’t do the trick when a mouse is attached now. I also have tried only connecting one keyboard at a time, like you suggest, but that doesn’t solve the problem either. I have wondered if the mouse is the issue - it’s a pretty cheap Dell mouse that has one of those universal USB-A wireless receivers. I plug that into the USB-C to USB-A dongle for the iPad Pro. The wonky keyboard behavior is consistent with using a wired mouse too (again a cheap Dell one). Maybe I need to just get a better mouse. Kinda’ bummed that I seem to be the only (or the few?) who hasn’t had the most joyful time with mouse support.
[28–19–2019 02:19 PM] EconWriter#1131 @tedsvo Long press is indeed fantastic. I’ve actually noticed that I don’t need to map it to it’s own button. Simply long-pressing on the primary mouse key works for me.
[28–34–2019 02:34 PM] tedsvo#2044 Ah, I bet it’s the receiver. I used a Logitech one that was giving me trouble, so I switched to an MX Anywhere which is Bluetooth
[28–01–2019 03:01 PM] EconWriter#1131 @tedsvo I’ve been eyeing the MX Anywhere. I think I now have the rationalization I need to make the purchase! Thanks!
[28–26–2019 03:26 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Logitech receivers are interpreted as keyboards. Even on macOS.
[28–27–2019 03:27 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 This seems to be the same across all receivers except my super cheap keyboard and mouse that I use for Windows. They have separate dongles thoufb.
[28–42–2019 03:42 PM] EconWriter#1131 @Rosemary Orchard Ah, I didn’t know that! I suspect that’s the culprit. Thanks!
[28–49–2019 04:49 PM] tedsvo#2044 Ah that’s interesting Rosemary
[29–34–2019 03:34 AM] nikond3 (Control Centre)#1909 Does anyone else feel that Automations are a total waste of time? Having set one up yesterday to run at Sunrise (I.e I’m a sleep at that time) I thought it had not run, so I reset it to run at a time of day, and discovered it gives you a notification that you need to press to run it! That to me is not an Automation but a trigger, thing is the notification was on screen no longer than 8 - 10 seconds? Pointless to my mind.
I’m sure this is down to some sort of security but I still see it as a waste of my time in setting something up to be automated that isn’t . Rant over……
[29–49–2019 05:49 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Some of them do need the notifications, but a fair number just run - such as the ones when you open an app.
[29–46–2019 11:46 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @nikond3 (Control Centre) I think the name Automations just oversells it, they’re automatic triggers to run your shortcuts, either by notification or some action you take (ie Stop Alarm).
But you always have to perform the action
[29–47–2019 11:47 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 If I’m not mistaken, the only true automation is when Low Power Mode turns off, because that’s the only thing that happens automatically without requiring it to Ask When Run
[29–48–2019 11:48 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Otherwise I’m treating them as another method of making shortcuts more readily available to run when I’m ready to run them, and not really digging too deep into “what could I do if this just happened on a schedule”
[31–01–2019 10:01 AM] nahumck#8444 So, if I’m on the 13.0 beta, should I be installing the 13.1? Better? More stable? Bugs squashed?
[31–29–2019 10:29 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Yes
[31–59–2019 10:59 AM] koshakji#0791 I’ve been hearing people say you they can’t initiate split-screen using Spotlight for a while and I just noticed myself using it and it’s working for me!
[31–00–2019 11:00 AM] koshakji#0791 it doesn’t dismiss Spotlight search just by dragging, I have to press CMD+Space again to dismiss the Spotlight UI, while still holding on to the app icon
[31–01–2019 11:01 AM] koshakji#0791 I don’t remember if that’s how it worked on iOS 12 but it works now
[31–31–2019 02:31 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Yeah I am doing the same thing - it is worse than ios 12 but at least possible for now
[31–50–2019 08:50 PM] tedsvo#2044 Man. I installed tvOS beta to play with homekit automations, and this beta is buggy as hell
[31–51–2019 08:51 PM] tedsvo#2044 I incorrectly thought it would be stable by now
[02–32–2019 12:32 AM] giacomopasini#6375 Any non advanced user who is on iOS 13 and PadOS beta could tell me if the more complex iOS 12 shortcuts has needed to be rebuilt from scratch? Did you find more difficult or easier adapt to the new Shortcuts app?
[02–03–2019 04:03 AM] leddy#3717 It’s strange. I found after upgrading that my shortcuts on my iPhone for the most part worked just fine. But when I ran the same shortcuts on my iPad they did not work and I needed to go in and reconnect a lot of the variables. But it wasn’t too difficult a job to fix them.
[03–11–2019 12:11 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I think this 13.1 beta 1 had some reversions that were fixed in later 13.0 betas
[03–11–2019 12:11 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Hoping there’s a new beta today?
[03–31–2019 12:31 PM] Zulfi#4524 Any developers here working on new shortcuts with custom parameters for iOS13? Running into a lot of issues, with custom dialog prompts not working (when they worked fine before).
[03–50–2019 02:50 PM] leddy#3717 It will be interesting to see if the 13.1 betas come out once a week or every two weeks.
[03–13–2019 03:13 PM] Conor O’Hollaren#6254 is anyone else seeing a long delay / spotty response detecting NFC stickers and firing a shortcut? (ios 13.1b1, iphone XS)
[04–19–2019 09:19 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 In general the Automations are a bit slow in this beta
[04–05–2019 12:05 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 New beta!
[04–17–2019 12:17 PM] tedsvo#2044 🙌
[04–52–2019 12:52 PM] tedsvo#2044 It occurs to me that an ideal BT mouse for iPad would have a zillion buttons that I could map to a zillion shortcuts
[04–52–2019 12:52 PM] tedsvo#2044 Is there some existing device with lots of buttons that would map to the pointing devices accessibility feature?
[04–25–2019 01:25 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 I ordered a couple different gaming mouse’s and they don’t work. All the keys on the side need to be programed and iPadOS doesn’t recognize them. Logitech did announce a new MX Master mouse today that I’m pretty excited about.
[04–28–2019 01:28 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I spy a secret new feature 🙂
[04–28–2019 01:28 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 What’s that?
[04–28–2019 01:28 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 waiting patiently for my editor to approve my article
[04–33–2019 01:33 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Is it this one? https://rosemaryorchard.com/blog/latest-shortcuts-beta-allows-you-to-get-links-to-shortcuts-with-shortcuts/
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[04–34–2019 01:34 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Lol yes, DANGIT LORY
[04–35–2019 01:35 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Hehe
[04–36–2019 01:36 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 FILE YOUR RADARS EVERYONE
[04–36–2019 01:36 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 This one was one I submitted 🙂
[04–37–2019 01:37 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 I submitted this a few times too over the years
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[04–47–2019 01:47 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 We need to collect and funnel them to the team more, because I think they’re overwhelmed with them all
[04–47–2019 01:47 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 And dupes help a lot too
[04–48–2019 01:48 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 This one I think got their attention because it was in response to the regression of .shortcut files
[04–48–2019 01:48 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I was like plz, I’m so screwed if we can’t back these up
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[04–33–2019 03:33 PM] leddy#3717 Public 13.1 Beta 2 out.
[04–39–2019 03:39 PM] BastianInuk#2009 Public?
[04–33–2019 06:33 PM] leddy#3717 Yes.
[04–14–2019 07:14 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 All my shortcuts weren’t syncing (again) and I just got them to again! Only had to delete 250 lol
[04–55–2019 07:55 PM] tedsvo#2044 Whoa https://reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/czrk1j/so_i_guess_you_can_automate_anything_now/
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[06–03–2019 02:03 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @everyone Is anyone still having sync issues with the latest beta of Shortcuts? If so, please file feedback here and I will pass it along to the team
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[11–05–2019 01:05 AM] leddy#3717 Maybe I wasn’t meant for betas. Was FaceTimeing a friend and wanted to use Animoji. Then my screen froze. Tried to reboot but instead called 911 emergency. I couldn’t hang up! I kept telling the operator that it was just a glitch. But she kept asking me what’s wrong. Then she sent the police! Then I guess because I couldn’t do anything with my phone it automatically called my emergency contact which was my my brother! And because my phone was totally frozen, I couldn’t do a reboot or a hard boot, he couldn’t get through so he had to come to my place too! This is going to be some feedback!
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[11–20–2019 01:20 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Could the operator hear you?
[11–22–2019 01:22 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 It’s (fairly) standard protocol to assume if they receive a silent call that the person at the other end is not able to talk without endangering themselves (or that they are unable to speak due to an injury) which is why they generally send police in that situation.
[11–36–2019 02:36 AM] leddy#3717 Yes. I think she heard me. But I couldn’t get to the speaker and I was struggling with trying to reboot. All good now. The police and my brother had a good time as I tried to explain IOS 13.0 and 13.1 betas to them… 🥴
[11–15–2019 05:15 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I actually had a phone call yesterday that never stopped ringing, has to reboot the phone. Wonder if it’s similar
[11–36–2019 01:36 PM] leddy#3717 Public Beta 13.1 Beta is out.
[11–36–2019 01:36 PM] leddy#3717 3
[11–08–2019 06:08 PM] tedsvo#2044 Ugh. Shortcuts still broken on watchOS GM? How’s that possible?
[11–13–2019 06:13 PM] tedsvo#2044 Can others confirm this?
[12–26–2019 02:26 AM] BastianInuk#2009 @tedsvo did you file a feedback? 👀
[12–37–2019 12:37 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @tedsvo Not working on mine too
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[12–37–2019 12:37 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I guess it’s not a 6.1 beta?
[14–43–2019 08:43 AM] tedsvo#2044 PCalc’s iOS 13 update is on the App Store! Anyone notice other apps with iOS 13 features being released?
[16–48–2019 03:48 PM] BastianInuk#2009 Anyone on the newest macOS beta, with logitech options issues?
[16–49–2019 03:49 PM] BastianInuk#2009 It simply doesn’t work, the mouse works as if the app isn’t installed and I get this error message:
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[16–50–2019 03:50 PM] BastianInuk#2009 nvm works now
[16–49–2019 04:49 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Final Cut Pro crashes on launch on the latest Catalina beta 🙃
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[18–25–2019 12:25 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 New betas out!
[18–31–2019 12:31 PM] tedsvo#2044 Woo! I don’t see a watch one yet?
[18–32–2019 12:32 PM] tedsvo#2044 13.1 can’t come soon enough. Not having shortcuts on anything but my iOS devices is killing me. I don’t ask my homepods for much anymore 😦
[18–58–2019 01:58 PM] leddy#3717 Yes! I so miss running Shortcuts on HomePod! I really hope tomorrow when 13.0 drops they also update the HomePod. 🤞
[23–04–2019 05:04 PM] leddy#3717 Just to confirm. I’ve deleted the beta profiles in settings on my iPhone and iPad. That’s all I need to do to get the official 13.1 release tomorrow right? 😨
[23–05–2019 05:05 PM] koshakji#0791 I believe you need to restart the device after removing the profile
[23–21–2019 05:21 PM] BobWinNV#4781 Yes, a restart is necessary after either adding or removing a beta profile for the change to take effect.
[23–29–2019 05:29 PM] leddy#3717 @BobWinNV @koshakji Thank you.
[24–09–2019 03:09 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @blacktothefuture or @Ian, any chance you can provide info on Shortcuts on watch/HomePod?
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[24–25–2019 04:25 PM] Ian#0402 @Matthew Cassinelli Sorry, there’s no news about that at this time.
[24–42–2019 04:42 PM] tedsvo#2044 Shucks, so Shortcuts on the watch is borked until further notice @Ian?
[24–56–2019 04:56 PM] tedsvo#2044 Anyone on the watchOS 6.1 beta who can test this?
[24–30–2019 07:30 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Thanks @Ian
[28–08–2019 11:08 AM] tedsvo#2044 Heard from a friend that shortcuts are working on watchOS 6.1
[28–02–2019 01:02 PM] tedsvo#2044 Just installed and that’s not quite true. Lots of shortcuts don’t work.
[28–06–2019 01:06 PM] tedsvo#2044 Man this is so frustrating.
[28–14–2019 07:14 PM] leddy#3717 I find I hardly use the HomePod anymore since it lost Shortcuts capability. Hopefully there will be an update out soon. Thank goodness for “Set playback destination to” action.
[30–35–2019 12:35 PM] tedsvo#2044 iOS 13.1.2 claims to fix HomePod troubles 🤞 can anyone confirm?
[30–35–2019 12:35 PM] tedsvo#2044
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[30–17–2019 02:17 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Does anyone running watchOS 6.1 see the multiple combined colour options for Numerals Duo? I don’t but my dad (running public release) does.
[30–17–2019 02:17 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195
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[30–25–2019 02:25 PM] leddy#3717 @tedsvo can’t wait to get home from work to try!
[30–33–2019 02:33 PM] nahumck#8444 @Rosemary Orchard I see them as options on the Watch app, but not on the actual watch
[30–33–2019 02:33 PM] nahumck#8444 running dev 6.1
[30–34–2019 02:34 PM] nahumck#8444 when I set it on the watch face in the app, then tap “Set as current Watch Face”, it turns to the red color
[30–34–2019 02:34 PM] nahumck#8444 and I’m on 13.1.1 iOS release. not sure if that makes a difference here
[01–56–2019 12:56 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Good to know!
[01–57–2019 12:57 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 And now on the developer page at Apple I can’t get profiles for iOS or iPadOS, I wonder if the universe is conspiring
[01–22–2019 05:22 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 I feel like I’m going mad. Is the most recent OS release for HomePod really 12.4?
[01–23–2019 05:23 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 (Regular, not developer)
[01–23–2019 05:23 AM] BastianInuk#2009 Looks like it from the release notes
[01–24–2019 05:24 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 But the beta profiles have been pulled from the developer site. So I can’t update it. Urgh
[01–31–2019 05:31 PM] EconWriter#1131 So, no new betas for those of us who don’t have an iPhone 11-line phone yet?
[01–41–2019 05:41 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 My iPad got an update
[02–13–2019 02:13 AM] BastianInuk#2009 I’m out of the loop
[02–53–2019 08:53 AM] EconWriter#1131 Both my iPad Pro and XS Max received iOS 13.1.2, but it’s not listed as a dev or public beta build. Yet I have a dev beta profile on both devices.
[02–11–2019 12:11 PM] EconWriter#1131 Okay, now I feel silly. I just received the dev beta. Never mind!
[02–15–2019 12:15 PM] koshakji#0791 There’s nothing to feel silly about, Apple talked about a beta before releasing it
[02–15–2019 12:15 PM] BobWinNV#4781 I just noticed that the 13.2 beta profiles are up on Apple developer now.
[02–05–2019 04:05 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @Rosemary Orchard The update isn’t for Homepod, it’s just for iPhone
[02–05–2019 04:05 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 HomePod is still 12.4
[03–47–2019 07:47 AM] supermamon#7273
Shortcuts in 13.2 allows removing the unused Otherwise again.
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[16–04–2019 01:04 PM] tedsvo#2044 Ive been getting mixed results with Shortcuts running on the watch with 13.2 and 6.1. Anyone on the latest beta have experience?
[16–25–2019 08:25 PM] tedsvo#2044 Any thoughts @Matthew Cassinelli ?
[20–20–2019 11:20 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Hmm yeah I just got an error @tedsvo
[20–07–2019 02:07 PM] tedsvo#2044 Dang.
[28–36–2019 03:36 PM] tedsvo#2044 Another public release, another attempt to use Shortcuts on the watch, another “I don’t recognize that command.” Sigh.
[28–51–2019 10:51 PM] leddy#3717 Anyone else not having their HomePods’ update to 13.2?
[28–59–2019 10:59 PM] leddy#3717
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[29–17–2019 12:17 AM] leddy#3717 Apparently they pulled the update.
[29–20–2019 12:20 AM] leddy#3717 New 13.2 Update Bricking Some HomePods [Update Pulled] - MacRumors
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/10/28/new-13–2-update-bricking-some-homepods/
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[29–54–2019 10:54 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 @tedsvo Did Apple Watch get its own update yet?
[29–56–2019 10:56 AM] tedsvo#2044 @Matthew Cassinelli nope, but this made me think that it’s supposed to be working in the beta https://twitter.com/conradev/status/1188972015153082368?s=21
{Embed} Conrad Kramer (@conradev) https://twitter.com/conradev/status/1188972015153082368?s=21 @tedsvo_tech @AriX Shortcuts should be working on watchOS 6.1, which is currently in beta :) Twitter
[29–58–2019 10:58 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Ah yeah I’ve been using that. Wonder why its behind
[29–41–2019 12:41 PM] tedsvo#2044 @Matthew Cassinelli 6.1 out and I’m still getting the error. You?
[29–58–2019 04:58 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Is anyone else having issues with the WiFi and screen brightness actions? As in, the shortcut stalls on them
[29–03–2019 05:03 PM] koshakji#0791 Just tested on 13.2, both worked okay
[29–06–2019 05:06 PM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 Odd. They’re consistently causing issues here. Time for a reboot.
[29–08–2019 05:08 PM] koshakji#0791 Working okay on multiple devices, but I only tested a two action shortcut containing both actions
[29–35–2019 05:35 PM] tedsvo#2044 Must say I’m very bummed about watch shortcuts still failing, now that all the updates have been released
[29–12–2019 06:12 PM] tedsvo#2044 @Rosemary Orchard are your watch shortcuts working, or still no?
[29–05–2019 07:05 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Mine are working, but not which health stuff
[29–24–2019 07:24 PM] tedsvo#2044 Shoot really? Can you share a sample shortcut that works?
[30–48–2019 10:48 AM] tedsvo#2044 Ok, so at this point I can get basic non-Health shortcuts to run, but anything from third party devs does not run and anything involving HealthKit does not run
[31–21–2019 08:21 PM] leddy#3717 HomePod 13.2.1 came out yesterday. Very happy.
[05–35–2019 01:35 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Anyone @here on the beta?
[05–35–2019 01:35 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I really don’t want to go back into betas
[05–36–2019 01:36 PM] Dayton#5393 I heard it fixes the issue where apps get dropped out of RAM too often. So I think I’ll install.
[05–37–2019 01:37 PM] mcoutts81 (he/him)#8763 I’m the same. Not wanting to go back on a beta but if it sorts the memory management issues then that’s tempting. Although they could potentially release 13.2.1 to sort those issues.
[05–49–2019 01:49 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Mind checking through Shortcuts for new actions?
[05–22–2019 02:22 PM] tedsvo#2044 Would love to know if watch-based shortcuts are working too.
[05–22–2019 02:22 PM] MEE6#4876 GG @tedsvo, you just advanced to level 6!
[05–07–2019 04:07 PM] tedsvo#2044 Looks like I’m back on the iOS beta train https://twitter.com/viticci/status/1191824119244963840?s=21
{Embed} Federico Viticci (@viticci) https://twitter.com/viticci/status/1191824119244963840?s=21 I know that Apple’s bug reporter is a hot topic – hard to summarize with a single example. But I’ll throw mine in:
I was having severe issues with running shortcuts on my Watch. I submitted feedback with detailed examples. Had to gather multiple sysdiagnoses on my Watch… Twitter
[05–30–2019 06:30 PM] tedsvo#2044 Seems to be working @Matthew Cassinelli !
[05–57–2019 06:57 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Nice
[05–57–2019 06:57 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Anything else noticeably new? @tedsvo
[05–57–2019 06:57 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Wallpaper action?
[05–58–2019 06:58 PM] tedsvo#2044 Nothing new that I’ve been able to see. No wallpaper action.
[05–59–2019 06:59 PM] tedsvo#2044 Happy to check for other things if you have any in mind
[05–59–2019 06:59 PM] tedsvo#2044 Being able to turn on and off my ATV from watch is killer
[05–05–2019 07:05 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Did you ever experience Siri Shortcuts from apps not showing up? People have been saying Overcast shortcuts aren’t donating, not sure if that’s Shortcuts or Marco
[05–05–2019 07:05 PM] tedsvo#2044 Like, you can’t make the shortcut because it doesn’t show up?
[05–06–2019 07:06 PM] tedsvo#2044 I’ve had that happen with iwork documents, but eventually opening and closing the doc on multiple devices made the shortcut appear
[05–06–2019 07:06 PM] tedsvo#2044 I don’t use overcast so can’t speak to that
[05–18–2019 10:18 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Lol I caved and am installing the betas
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[06–28–2019 12:28 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 I am having serious issues with File actions. As in the append to file action is not working - which rather kills many of my shortcuts.
[06–59–2019 01:59 AM] supermamon#7273 i’m on 13.3 and Append to File works fine
[06–06–2019 05:06 AM] Rosemary Orchard#7195 I’ve rebooted again, I’ll experiment at lunchtime.
[05–27–2020 12:27 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Installing the new beta now 🙂
[05–19–2020 01:19 PM] BastianInuk#2009 👏
[05–19–2020 01:19 PM] BastianInuk#2009 Doing the work so we don’t have to!
[05–19–2020 01:19 PM] BastianInuk#2009 Remember to file that radar 😄
[05–00–2020 03:00 PM] HilliTech#2480 I’m running it on my iPad Pro and iPhone 11 Pro
[05–00–2020 03:00 PM] HilliTech#2480 Mouse scrolling is thankfully way better.
[05–51–2020 11:51 PM] leddy#3717 Would like to hear feed back on shared folders in iCloud. Works well with Notes. But I find that the Notes actions in Shortcuts can be a bit flaky.
[11–30–2021 04:30 PM] Marshall Beyer#1577 So I noticed you can now add tags in Reminders. Has anyone figured out a way to do so via Shortcuts?
[11–31–2021 04:31 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Hah I was like one second behind, already submitted this as Feedback https://discord.com/channels/551914015131959308/552220825059721225/853023430188990495
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[11–47–2021 04:47 PM] iBanks#1660 In the latest beta, comment and text boxes expand as you type long text and seems to remain expanded to the length of the text. Great for detailed comments and no longer a need to scroll the little box area to read long details.
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[11–49–2021 04:49 PM] krafti#7925 this isnt shortcut related, but i am not liking the floating URL bar in ios safari
[11–50–2021 04:50 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Oh nice this is dope
[11–50–2021 04:50 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Yeah it’s… not great
[11–10–2021 05:10 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 So who has the betas installed?
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[11–11–2021 05:11 PM] nyuszika7h#0001 I have iOS 15 on my X, but hoping they fix the shortcuts editor in beta 2 because it’s currently pretty much unusable
[11–11–2021 05:11 PM] nyuszika7h#0001 other than Shortcuts the system itself is pretty stable
[11–11–2021 05:11 PM] Max Balzer#0001 Me! iOS 15 and iPadOS 15. Not Monterey yet, heard it’s not very stable
[11–13–2021 05:13 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Heh I’m on Monterey and it defintely messed up my podcast 🙂
[11–13–2021 05:13 PM] Will Sigmon#4826 I have them all
[11–13–2021 05:13 PM] Will Sigmon#4826 sup @Max Balzer
[11–14–2021 05:14 PM] Will Sigmon#4826 Monterey has been fine for me the past week personally and professionally
[11–20–2021 05:20 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Shortcuts itself struggles a lot when you’re moving actions, that’s the main issue with the app so far
[11–20–2021 05:20 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 No smooth livestreams for me 🙂
[11–21–2021 05:21 PM] Max Balzer#0001 oh no! I edit on my iMac so I don’t want to risk it. I might put it on a secondary computer though
[11–21–2021 05:21 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I just heard “Shortcuts for Mac” and lost all sensibility
[11–23–2021 05:23 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Haha, j wish Monterey was more stable for me
[11–26–2021 05:26 PM] Max Balzer#0001 LMAO
[11–42–2021 05:42 PM] krafti#7925 the few shortcuts i have are causing monterey to complain 😄 what do you mean my laptop cant vibrate?
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[11–54–2021 05:54 PM] Marshall Beyer#1577 I am running iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 but not Monterey.
[11–22–2021 07:22 PM] kvenden#6529 Same with me, but also watchOS 8.. saving my Intel Macbook Air 2020 for working from home so Monterey is prob not yet a good idea
[11–46–2021 10:46 PM] brentacPrime#8220 I’ve now got betas on my m1 Mac mini, 2018 iPad Pro, and 12 pro max
[12–46–2021 07:46 AM] atnbueno#9460 Comment and Text actions grow with the content 🥳
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[12–50–2021 07:50 AM] atnbueno#9460 Also, has anyone here mentioned that now we don’t need to scroll all the way down before importing a shortcut? 🍾
[12–43–2021 10:43 AM] brentacPrime#8220 Well that’s awesome. No more writing text and comments in drafts and then copying them in
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[12–47–2021 12:47 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Which is awesome!
[12–48–2021 12:48 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 I just wish they didn’t mess with importing shortcuts
[12–48–2021 12:48 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Makes my life really hard
[12–10–2021 03:10 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I noticed this for sure
[12–10–2021 03:10 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 What do you mean specifically?
[12–15–2021 03:15 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Jellycuts used to export a Jellycut, by sending a .shortcut file through an action into the shortcuts app. This would then be uploaded to icloud through the get icloud link action. This link would then be opened in the app.
But now that doesn’t work, they changed how the icloud link action functions, and you can no longer create a link for an unsigned shortcut. There is also no way to import a file that is unsigned or outdated.
So I either have to find a work-around, or I have to setup a mac server or mac VM server too run the new Shortucts CLI tool to manually sign the shortcuts. But then that requires giving everyone who uses shortcuts a contact file for the iCloud account logged into that VM.
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[12–16–2021 03:16 PM] eaic#2832 or
[12–16–2021 03:16 PM] eaic#2832 use an ios13/14 simulator
[12–16–2021 03:16 PM] eaic#2832 to upload public links
[12–16–2021 03:16 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 That is true
[12–16–2021 03:16 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 But, would also require a mac server
[12–16–2021 03:16 PM] eaic#2832 true
[12–16–2021 03:16 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 And the cli seems to be way lighter than a sim so, that will probably be the go
[12–16–2021 03:16 PM] MEE6#4876 GG @ActuallyZach, you just advanced to level 1!
[12–16–2021 03:16 PM] eaic#2832 yea
[12–17–2021 03:17 PM] eaic#2832 speaking of mac servers
[12–17–2021 03:17 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 and just tell everyone to add this email to your contacts
[12–17–2021 03:17 PM] eaic#2832 anyone know of a good way to strip down a mac vm
[12–17–2021 03:17 PM] eaic#2832 like remove all extras
[12–02–2021 04:02 PM] atnbueno#9460 Someone poking in the macOS version of the Shortcuts app: https://theevilbit.github.io/posts/monterey_shortcuts/
{Embed} https://theevilbit.github.io/posts/monterey_shortcuts/ macOS Monterey Shortcuts - First look Apple announced macOS Monterey (macOS 12) this week at WWDC, and one of its new features that caught my eye is Shortcuts. It’s already available on iOS, but it made its way to macOS. My security focused brain immediately thought about how cool this feature could be for red teamers or pentesters to persist on macOS :) So I decided to take a quick…
[12–13–2021 04:13 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Very interesting dive into the Shortcuts sqlite database
[12–13–2021 04:13 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 The reason the shortcuts can;t be convereted is because of how they are signed
[12–13–2021 04:13 PM] atnbueno#9460 I was just looking into that
[12–13–2021 04:13 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Yeah, I was told, It will be nearly impossible to reverse the encryption
[12–14–2021 04:14 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 But then again, nothing’s impossible
[12–14–2021 04:14 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Everything is signed to your iCloud account, and from what I can tell a bit of the data is 1 way hashed
[12–17–2021 04:17 PM] atnbueno#9460 I wasn’t thinking about reversing it, but if it was possible to sign (notarize?) with standard tools like OpenSSL. Currently reading this: https://www.sentinelone.com/blog/maco-notarization-security-hardening-or-security-theater/
[12–17–2021 04:17 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Hmm
[12–17–2021 04:17 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 We may be able to sign it off of the iCloud ID
[12–18–2021 04:18 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Cause that’s what they sign off of
[12–20–2021 05:20 PM] zjtech123#6743 This also means copypasting shortcuts and embedders like ActionCuts, MergeCuts, Swing Embedded, Quick Embedded etc etc are no longer possible without a helper
[12–21–2021 05:21 PM] zjtech123#6743 Which sucks to be honest
[12–37–2021 05:37 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Yeah which is super annoying
[12–44–2021 06:44 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 So I have not gotten to this level, what does this mean practically? Like generated shortcuts aren’t authorized to be installed on other devices?
I just want to make sure I understand
[12–44–2021 06:44 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 If you want I can jump in a call and try to explain it better than I can in text
[12–45–2021 06:45 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 If not i can write up a decent explanation of all of it
[12–45–2021 06:45 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Just let me know
[12–48–2021 06:48 PM] eaic#2832 basically the embedders work by modifying the shortcuts plists and on ios 12 they could import directly
[12–48–2021 06:48 PM] FifiTheBulldog#6153 If I understand this correctly, in a nutshell it means that you can no longer install a shortcut from a file, as the only way to get an iCloud link would be to have it already in the Shortcuts app. This pretty much puts an end to the viability of shortcuts that use plist modification to create new shortcuts since it’s hard to install the customized file.
[12–48–2021 06:48 PM] FifiTheBulldog#6153 On 13 and 14 we had the luxury of Get Link to File
[12–48–2021 06:48 PM] eaic#2832 but then in ios 13 they disabled file imports but you could still work around it with the get link to file action
[12–48–2021 06:48 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Yeah that’s pretty accurate
[12–48–2021 06:48 PM] eaic#2832 now that’s dead and you need a mac
[12–49–2021 06:49 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I thought they mentioned .shortcut files in the Mac developer session
[12–49–2021 06:49 PM] eaic#2832 yep, those used to be bplists
[12–49–2021 06:49 PM] eaic#2832 now they are a custom format
[12–49–2021 06:49 PM] eaic#2832 with signatures built-in
[12–49–2021 06:49 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Ah i see
[12–49–2021 06:49 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Can you use the command line tool to sign those files you create though?
[12–49–2021 06:49 PM] eaic#2832 there are 2 kinds of signatures: personal signatures and icloud notarization
[12–50–2021 06:50 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Yeah, they changed what a .shortcut is. It used to be an unsinged XML plist. It is now a signed Apple Archive plist, which is keyed with your iCloud account. Meaning that they can not be decrypted outside the shortcuts app
[12–50–2021 06:50 PM] MEE6#4876 GG @ActuallyZach, you just advanced to level 2!
[12–50–2021 06:50 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 yes, but only for you and people who have you in your contacts
[12–50–2021 06:50 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Sorry I’ll disable this bot tonight
[12–50–2021 06:50 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Oh and you can generate a public icloud link with the cli
[12–50–2021 06:50 PM] eaic#2832 ooh
[12–50–2021 06:50 PM] eaic#2832 you can?
[12–50–2021 06:50 PM] eaic#2832 nice
[12–50–2021 06:50 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Yes, but idk when this is coming
[12–50–2021 06:50 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 It may be in the first version of signing, or a later version
[12–51–2021 06:51 PM] FifiTheBulldog#6153 So, what will become of RoutineHub? Will all shortcuts published there need to be signed with the CLI to create public links?
[12–51–2021 06:51 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Nope
[12–51–2021 06:51 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 They will be perfectly fine
[12–51–2021 06:51 PM] eaic#2832 the shortcuts app still makes public links
[12–51–2021 06:51 PM] MEE6#4876 GG @eaic, you just advanced to level 1!
[12–51–2021 06:51 PM] eaic#2832 just not from arbitrary plists
[12–51–2021 06:51 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Yeah, public links are still created by the shortcuts app
[12–51–2021 06:51 PM] FifiTheBulldog#6153 I see
[12–52–2021 06:52 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 you just now have an option to restrict those icloud links to contacts
[12–52–2021 06:52 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 That is called a private shortcut
[12–52–2021 06:52 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 and can only be shared to people who have you in their contacts
[12–52–2021 06:52 PM] eaic#2832 you can also share as files right
[12–52–2021 06:52 PM] eaic#2832 if they are signed
[12–52–2021 06:52 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 it basically checks a hashed email that is saved in the plist against the emails in your contact book
[12–52–2021 06:52 PM] eaic#2832 it’s not a plist anymore
[12–52–2021 06:52 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Yes, but this is actually fairly buggy right now
[12–53–2021 06:53 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 It actually is, it’s just decently encrypted
[12–53–2021 06:53 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 So theirs no way to extract a .plist from a .shortcut anymore
[12–53–2021 06:53 PM] eaic#2832 it’s not encrypted
[12–53–2021 06:53 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 They told me it was in my lab
[12–53–2021 06:53 PM] eaic#2832 well, it’s not
[12–53–2021 06:53 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Oh interesting
[12–53–2021 06:53 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 I wonder what it is then
[12–54–2021 06:54 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Have you had time to dive into the fileformat yet?
[12–54–2021 06:54 PM] eaic#2832 no but look
[12–54–2021 06:54 PM] eaic#2832 just a sec
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[12–55–2021 06:55 PM] eaic#2832 http://paste.debian.net/1201017/
[12–55–2021 06:55 PM] eaic#2832 this is a signed shortcut
[12–56–2021 06:56 PM] eaic#2832 and you can clearly see parts of it’s contents
[12–56–2021 06:56 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 That is interesting
[12–56–2021 06:56 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Huh, it;s missing a good chunk of the data tho
[12–56–2021 06:56 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 I wonder where the heck that all is
[12–57–2021 06:57 PM] eaic#2832 wait maybe it is
[12–57–2021 06:57 PM] eaic#2832
it includes bplist
[12–57–2021 06:57 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Hold on lemme boot into monterey real quickly
[12–18–2021 07:18 PM] brentacPrime#8220 Maybe someone mentioned this already, but Location automations still require you to confirm when running shortcuts.
Focus change (on or off) do not require confirmation.
And Focus can change based on location automatically. Seems like a way to get location based automations by using Focus as a middle man.
Am I missing something
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[12–01–2021 09:01 PM] iBanks#1660 https://reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/nyam7j/ipados_15_beta_using_shortcuts_and_the_new_focus/
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[13–44–2021 12:44 PM] gwthompson#8517 Is the cli for running shortcuts in Monterey available in the first beta?
[13–46–2021 12:46 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Yes
[13–47–2021 12:47 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 It’s not the complete CLI yet
[13–47–2021 12:47 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 But you can run shortcuts and list all of them
[13–47–2021 12:47 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 And one other thing, I forget what tho
[13–13–2021 01:13 PM] gwthompson#8517 Thanks!
[13–58–2021 01:58 PM] atnbueno#9460 Sign them? 😁
[13–58–2021 01:58 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 That’s not there yet
[13–36–2021 03:36 PM] Homekitgeek#0939 @Matthew Cassinelli I haven’t jumped in the macOS beta yet - curious if the shortcuts on Mac is M1 only and also what are the options on a Mac for triggering personal shortcuts?
[13–36–2021 03:36 PM] FifiTheBulldog#6153 It’s on Intel Macs too
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[13–37–2021 03:37 PM] Homekitgeek#0939 Specifically I’m wondering if the always on Mac can trigger a shortcut based on a HomeKit device state
[13–46–2021 03:46 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 There’s no automations in Shortcuts for Mac
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[13–50–2021 03:50 PM] spaceneb#1337 We can bypass get shortcuts
[13–51–2021 03:51 PM] spaceneb#1337 Nice
[14–41–2021 12:41 AM] scottaw#3139 The “choose any folder” option in iOS/iPadOS 15 isn’t working for me. It gives me the folder picker but then it just leaves a blank where the folder name should be, and when I run the shortcut, it just goes to the Shortcuts folder when it hits that action. Anyone else?
[14–42–2021 12:42 AM] scottaw#3139 I’m referring specifically to choosing folders outside of the Shortcuts iCloud folder.
[14–42–2021 10:42 AM] gwthompson#8517 I’m thinking about using cron jobs for automating shortcuts on the mac but haven’t tried it yet. Could be very powerful!
[14–02–2021 01:02 PM] Adam Tow - MixEffect.app#9582 I haven’t updated my iOS devices to 15 yet, but does this mean my method for processing shortcuts in LaunchCuts and MFC Deck is going to break? I send Get My Shortcuts to my iOS app and decode the XML Plist to process and import the data.
[14–03–2021 01:03 PM] eaic#2832 the plist is still available from icloud but not sure about in the shortcuts app
[14–23–2021 01:23 PM] Adam Tow - MixEffect.app#9582 Time to install the iOS 15 beta on my one of test devices to see this for myself.
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[14–31–2021 01:31 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 I think it should be okay, the plists are still there, but you will need to set the name of the file to .wflow for it to convert.
[14–31–2021 01:31 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 But it may honestly just work without any changes
[14–32–2021 01:32 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 It’s beginning to confuse me when they are using .shortcut or .wflow
[15–05–2021 11:05 AM] iBanks#1660 You can use iOS 15’s Focus modes to trigger shortcuts based off location, automatically!!!
https://reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/o0hmhm/ios_15_beta_using_focus_and_shortcuts_automation/
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[15–06–2021 11:06 AM] ActuallyZach#0001 That’s an interesting work around
[15–06–2021 11:06 AM] ActuallyZach#0001 I wonder if we will see that stay through the beta’s or be removed
[15–09–2021 11:09 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Honestly I think this seems like the best way to make this happen – I’ve always assumed that true location automations (and Bluetooth & the like) would misfire regularly and create a bad experience, and I think that’s why Apple hasn’t enabled them. Pairing this with deeper smarts for activating the Focus modes using Siri’s intelligence seems much more reliable and less likely to be error-prone – plus, practically most location-based automations would line up with a natural context-switching, so this seems like the way to go going forward
[15–10–2021 11:10 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Apple could add affordances for location or Bluetooth automations to run without asking, but I think like other automations I’d end up not using it because there’d be too many edge cases like reconnecting to Bluetooth or it thinking you’ve moved in/out of a location from weak signal
[15–11–2021 11:11 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 They should totally add “When a speaker is connected” and skip the literal Bluetooth part though
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[15–11–2021 11:11 AM] ActuallyZach#0001 I think they haven’t enabled a lot of them for security concerns
[15–11–2021 11:11 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Yeah that too
[15–11–2021 11:11 AM] ActuallyZach#0001 Just because unnotified location access is dangerous
[15–11–2021 11:11 AM] ActuallyZach#0001 especially when that trigger can do limitless actions
[15–12–2021 11:12 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Agreed. I think that’s also why we lost the Stocks actions, you could basically do unlimited scraping of market trends
[15–12–2021 11:12 AM] ActuallyZach#0001 I didn’t even notice that, but yeah that makes perfect sense why it was removed
[15–13–2021 11:13 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I bet their native API usage was like this chart 📈 and they were like holy frick
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[15–17–2021 11:17 AM] atnbueno#9460 Now it can be done again with “capture screen” and “text from image” 😂
[15–21–2021 11:21 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Lol wow
[15–21–2021 11:21 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Good luck making trades based off that data
[15–30–2021 11:30 AM] ActuallyZach#0001 I wish they would change the carplay one, too just any car speaker. Currently my car is too old for carplay and I would love to be able to run a shortcut automatically when connecting to it.
[15–47–2021 01:47 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 FB9180546 – “Ask For Photos” as Shortcut Input alternate does not allow input on macOS
[16–47–2021 09:47 AM] quickfinga#4862 Workaround for location based automations in iOS 15. May be a bug…https://reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/o0hmhm/ios_15_beta_using_focus_and_shortcuts_automation/
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[16–13–2021 10:13 AM] mvan231#3698 That’s some fantastic stuff
[16–40–2021 10:40 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Heh @iBanks is on top of this – I’ve already shared it on a podcast since learning about it too, its exciting https://discord.com/channels/551914015131959308/577020926194089985/854391216300228650
[16–40–2021 10:40 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I think it makes a lot of sense for proper context-switching rather than GPS data itself thinking you’ve moved
[16–28–2021 11:28 AM] iBanks#1660 Oh yeah. Has worked out pretty well so far. One thing to note that I’ve come across this morning and will update the post on it but if you may have to run the automation script once manually to accept the new Allow Always prompts or else the automation doesn’t trigger or sends that notification.
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[18–39–2021 05:39 AM] atnbueno#9460 I’m reading people really frustrated with Shortcuts in iOS 15 beta 1. Is it true that there are problems in the editor selecting previously defined variables?
[18–49–2021 05:49 AM] mvan231#3698 Oh boy
[18–57–2021 06:57 AM] atnbueno#9460 Possible bug: a shortcut edited in iOS 15 that includes the “Get File” action, when shared with another user in iOS 14.7, can’t be installed (the preview gets stuck in the spinning thing and, although it says it has been installed, is hasn’t).
[18–06–2021 07:06 AM] atnbueno#9460 It happens to me with this: https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/a9fb484999a8459887712aff637e4253
[18–51–2021 07:51 AM] ActuallyZach#0001 I do not believe iOS 15 shortcuts are backwards compatible
[18–53–2021 07:53 AM] krafti#7925 The error message could be clearer if it’s a backwards compatibility issue
[18–28–2021 09:28 AM] quickfinga#4862 Yeah this is pretty nasty. I also have this problem. In many actions if you click there is no way to choose a variable, I can only write text in it. In this example I tapped on „Objekt“ and want to select the variable from the menu above it, but I can only write text.
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[18–30–2021 09:30 AM] atnbueno#9460 That’s bad, specially if this year they want to let people choose between staying in iOS 14 or upgrading to iOS 15
[18–30–2021 09:30 AM] quickfinga#4862 Some are. I can confirm that I fixed the problem if my screenshot above with an iOS 14.7 Beta device. However I also tried a shortcut with get file action and indeed I can’t open it on iOS 14.7 Beta device. I get an error that the shortcut was built in a different version of shortcuts.
[18–30–2021 09:30 AM] MEE6#4876 GG @quickfinga, you just advanced to level 1!
[18–49–2021 10:49 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Yeah I was getting frustrated at this yesterday for sure. A workaround is to replace the action with a new version, but it seems older actions are having the problem
[19–50–2021 09:50 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Anyone using Quick Note yet?
[19–54–2021 09:54 AM] koshakji#0791 I’ve tried it, but it doesn’t recognize my handwriting well enough if I go quickly
[19–56–2021 09:56 AM] LexNYC#8573 Quick Notes. I’ve tried it on both the iPad Pro and also on my 2020 iMAC.. Have betas on both. A little glitch bringing it up. Also, unclear on which apps on the ipad it will work on and come up on.
[19–56–2021 09:56 AM] MEE6#4876 GG @LexNYC, you just advanced to level 1!
[19–14–2021 10:14 AM] koshakji#0791 I think it should work on everything, but might not capture what you’re doing (like they demoed with Safari) based on the app. I think apps that support hand-off will support this
[21–52–2021 09:52 PM] Christopher Lawley#0452 @Matthew Cassinelli Every minute of everyday. It’s the killer sleeping feature of this release.
[22–11–2021 11:11 AM] Krispy#7094 I’m waiting for the public beta, but have started preparing for quick notes by looking for apps that work best with Siri’s “remind me about this” feature in iOS/iPadOS 14. So far I’ve found out that Spark mail, Craft, and Newsbite (RSS) work very well (they create a deep link to specific emails, RSS items, or notes) so I expect they will work well with Quick Note.
[22–16–2021 11:16 AM] koshakji#0791 I can test those apps when I get home, I have the beta. Anything else you’d like me to try?
[22–24–2021 11:24 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Anyone using the macOS beta with a TouchBar-enabled Mac? I want to know what the experience is like
[22–28–2021 11:28 AM] Krispy#7094 Thanks very much! And that’s all, since Safari, notes, email, and RSS will be my main usecases. I am also pretty curious if the deep links that Quick Notes creates can be copied in other apps that use rich links. For instance, could I copy a deep link to a safari page from a Quick Note into a Craft note, and would that link function?
[22–29–2021 11:29 AM] koshakji#0791 I think they used to be not copiable when they were in Reminders, will test in Quick Notes
[22–18–2021 12:18 PM] atnbueno#9460 Anyone has an estimate of when will the public betas be available?
[22–43–2021 12:43 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 They said July, so probably the 6th or so
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[22–01–2021 01:01 PM] EconWriter#1131 Just started testing the beta yesterday. But this also coincides with me just receiving my M1 MacBook Pro which also means that I’m using the TouchBar for the first time ever too. So, once I get my sealegs with the TouchBar, I plan to mess around with Shortcuts integration. I’m sure I’ll have opinions! (For what it’s worth, I don’t understand the supposedly-universal dislike of the TouchBar. I find it really fun and useful!)
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[22–06–2021 01:06 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Perfect – I figured Shortcuts will be the best use case for the TouchBar, so hoping it’s natural to use!
[23–51–2021 09:51 AM] Marshall Beyer#1577 I wish there was a way to customize swipe gestures with Apple Pencil. As you all know, right now swipe up from the bottom right brings up Quick Note and swipe up from bottom left takes a screenshot. I wish I could switch these since I’m left handed having the Quick Note on the left side would be better for me. When I’m using the iPad in the Magic Keyboard, not so much of an issue clearly lol
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[23–38–2021 12:38 PM] gwthompson#8517 Anyone using the Run AppleScript action in Monterey? When I try a simple “tell application “Safari” to get the bounds of window 1” I get the error “Not authorized to send Apple events to Safari.” Am I missing a permission setting somewhere?
[23–44–2021 12:44 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 It’s not working in this beta
[23–48–2021 12:48 PM] gwthompson#8517 That certainly explains it! I’m so excited about all of the automation possibilities! I need to be a bit more patient! 🙂
[23–50–2021 12:50 PM] gwthompson#8517 @Matthew Cassinelli Does this also mean the Shortcuts Events bridge from AppleScript to Shortcuts is not working in this beta as well?
[23–09–2021 01:09 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Probably, I’m not sure – tbh all the Mac stuff is new to me so I’m starting from scratch
[23–31–2021 01:31 PM] gwthompson#8517 I used to do a lot of workflows with AppleScript 30 years ago and I loved it but drifted away from it so it almost feels like starting from scratch myself. I built complex workflows for newspapers using Userland Frontier before AppleScript was released in the early 90s. Workflow/Shortcuts and all of the third party additions got me back into automation and now with the coming Monterey I’m dusting off the old skills! 🙂
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[23–44–2021 01:44 PM] atnbueno#9460 I’m a bit disappointed that iOS 15 didn’t bring to Shortcuts anything related to widgets 😞
[23–42–2021 02:42 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Fair, but putting Shortcuts widgets in stacks on my iPad home screens activated by Focus is what’s enabling me to really use them like I was trying in iOS 14, so practically they’ll be here for the first time for iPad users
[23–49–2021 03:49 PM] atnbueno#9460 Imagine:
[24–51–2021 12:51 PM] EconWriter#1131 So far, it seems the only way to add Shortcuts to the Touch Bar is via the “Quick Actions” button which can be added to the normal roster of controls (volume, brightness, etc). However, revealing the Shortcuts requires tapping the Quick Action button. So, as far as I can tell, the Shortcuts can’t be added directly to Touch Bar and be accessible persistently. It takes at least one extra tap to get to them.
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[24–50–2021 03:50 PM] krafti#7925 beta 2 has been released, ios and watchos
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[24–57–2021 03:57 PM] nyuszika7h#0001 Shortcuts Resolved in iOS & iPadOS 15 beta 2 Fixed drag-and-drop in the Shortcuts editor; it now works reliably. (77395180) Resolved unexpected behavior of variable entry in text fields in the editor. (78119853)
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[24–29–2021 04:29 PM] quickfinga#4862 Variable entry is still broken in some instances for example in the action to search the App Store.
[24–38–2021 04:38 PM] atnbueno#9460 Release Notes: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/ios-ipados-release-notes/ios-ipados-15-beta-release-notes
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[25–48–2021 04:48 AM] koshakji#0791 I’m sorry I’m very late. I tested a bunch of apps, the ones I found to work were:
[25–28–2021 05:28 AM] atnbueno#9460 I’m doing all my betatesting via friends (“Try this”, “try that”) 😁 and they tell me that in beta 2 the “Get Current IP” action works again (it didn’t in beta 1). Also, it returns the real IP even in Privacy Mode (CDN proxies). So comparing this IP with the one you can get from an external server (e.g. https://atnbueno.com/ip.php ) we can now detect Privacy Mode from Shortcuts 😎
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[25–21–2021 12:21 PM] Krispy#7094 Thanks for going above and beyond! If those all worked, I’m guessing Spark will work, eventually, given that it works with Remind Me About This. I’m definitely a little dissapointed about the rich links though because I dont like using Apple notes as a place to organize my links, even if I’m planning on using Quick Note. I was hoping i would be able to grab those links and throw them in Craft, for example. Here’s to hoping more functionality comes in future betas. Thanks again!
[25–22–2021 12:22 PM] koshakji#0791 Happy to help!
[25–22–2021 12:22 PM] koshakji#0791 You can now also activate Quick Note without the pencil which is cool
[25–23–2021 12:23 PM] Krispy#7094 Keyboard shortcut?
[25–23–2021 12:23 PM] Krispy#7094 Or control center?
[25–24–2021 12:24 PM] Krispy#7094 Do you think this new option in Shortcuts is essentially generating the same rich links as in Quick Notes?
[25–24–2021 12:24 PM] MEE6#4876 GG @Krispy, you just advanced to level 1!
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[25–24–2021 12:24 PM] Krispy#7094 https://www.reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/o7akl6/ipados_15_beta_2_receive_whats_onscreen_as/
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[25–52–2021 12:52 PM] koshakji#0791 Sorry, missed this. same gesture but without the Pencil
[25–17–2021 01:17 PM] Krispy#7094 Thats a great addition
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[25–51–2021 02:51 PM] EconWriter#1131 I’m having trouble figuring out how to use this in a shortcut (or how to even test it). Any tutorials you can share?
[25–29–2021 05:29 PM] atnbueno#9460 I’ve read you can use it to get the URL in Safari without having to use the share sheet
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[26–15–2021 02:15 AM] quickfinga#4862 Here is the most basic demo of it: https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/e610f46625914cc2b2b526becd002f8e
You need to start the shortcut via Siri or Spotlight with a external Keyboard, while you have a website in Safari opened. I also tried it in some other apps, but didn‘t do anything. I guess the developer has to do something in the app, to make it work.
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[26–18–2021 11:18 AM] EconWriter#1131 Thank you! This is very helpful.
[26–18–2021 11:18 AM] MEE6#4876 GG @EconWriter, you just advanced to level 4!
[28–45–2021 12:45 PM] krafti#7925 monterey beta 2 just released
[28–48–2021 12:48 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Sweet!
[28–48–2021 12:48 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 I can finally get Jellycuts working on macOS
[28–53–2021 12:53 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Just gotta get some time to update
[28–16–2021 01:16 PM] krafti#7925 m…
[28–16–2021 01:16 PM] krafti#7925 Shortcuts Resolved in macOS Monterey 12 beta 2 Fixed the Shortcuts command-line tool to correctly support signing. (74999291) Fixed an issue where apps running under Rosetta 2 became unresponsive if Shortcuts were enabled for the Services menu. (78134762) Made Shortcuts scriptable. (78609585)
[28–21–2021 01:21 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 That’s odd they slapped fixed in front of supporting signing
[28–22–2021 01:22 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Unless it truly was meant to be in beta 1 and something broke
[28–22–2021 02:22 PM] atnbueno#9460 The fix is that now it is there 😂
[28–42–2021 02:42 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Haha
[29–08–2021 11:08 PM] EconWriter#1131 It’s odd to me that Apple added tags to Reminders and didn’t include a tag field in the “Add New Reminder” action. Is this the kind of thing that Apple devs might consider adding if I filed Feedback about it?
[30–03–2021 06:03 AM] mvan231#3698 I would like to think so. It certainly can’t hurt
[30–24–2021 09:24 AM] nyuszika7h#0001 thanks to this I found another bug lol
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[30–24–2021 09:24 AM] MEE6#4876 GG @nyuszika7h, you just advanced to level 1!
[30–02–2021 11:02 AM] koshakji#0791 They did a similar thing when they added subtasks and some other fields last (?) year. Took them a while to add to Shortcuts iirc
[30–21–2021 11:21 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 This is a great thing to file directly as Feedback and they’d likely add it in future betas
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[30–33–2021 11:33 AM] EconWriter#1131 Done. FB9222165
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[30–34–2021 11:34 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 https://tenor.com/view/bruce-almighty-jim-carrey-beautiful-happy-smile-gif-4874848
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[30–35–2021 11:35 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Sorry I’m being a pain about filing Feedback but we as a community have the power to affect direct change!
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[30–06–2021 12:06 PM] EconWriter#1131 Not a pain at all. It is actually nice to hear (from someone like you who has communicated with people inside of Apple) that our feedback can actually have that power. I’ve always assumed it was intended solely to root out beta bugs.
[30–08–2021 12:08 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Feedback goes right into their ticketing system and it’s tied into how every task gets done – if it’s not in the system, they’re not working on it.
And especially with Shortcuts, which has a million edge cases (both in terms of bugs and features) giving direct reports to them helps a ton.
It’s basically like putting a problem and solution right in front of them makes it incredibly easy to actually fix it, if we don’t diagnose tihngs correctly or give thoughtful suggestions, there’s a lot more work to get it done
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[30–44–2021 12:44 PM] krafti#7925 looks like public betas have been reeased, and beta2 received do-over (according to macrumors)
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[02–04–2021 09:04 AM] atnbueno#9460 macOS public beta installed, open Shortcuts, run first shortcut (a two-action shortcut that gets a single-page PDF file from iCloud Drive plus a Quick View action). The first time it shows the contents of the PDF, as expected (also as seen in iOS). Successive runs don’t show the contents of the PDF, but a giant PDF icon. My first bug to report? Can anyone confirm?
[02–06–2021 01:06 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I’m seeing lots of weirdness like this where the same shortcut doesn’t behave the same twice in a row. Or like when I change an action and run the shortcut, it’ll run the old action first and then on a second try it works
[02–06–2021 05:06 PM] mike_gdovin#5936 Anyone doing anything interesting with custom focuses? I have a custom one for driving (like Federico Viticci) to customize my Home Screen, one for meetings and one when I’m a passenger in a car
[02–58–2021 05:58 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Did they remove do not disturb while driving?
[02–38–2021 07:38 PM] mike_gdovin#5936 It’s there but for some reason the built in driving focus doesn’t let you change your Home Screen (probably because you aren’t supposed to use your phone when driving)
[03–41–2021 08:41 AM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Lol yup, that’s what I figured
[04–19–2021 12:19 PM] David Blue#1917 uh… I feel like an idiot…. but what on earth do i have to do to not have to approve every single action in 15???
[04–20–2021 12:20 PM] David Blue#1917 always allow doesnt seem to be storing approval either so uhh..
[04–31–2021 12:31 PM] krafti#7925 i’ve noticed that with rdownloader. its requesting approval for all images in an imgur album, whereas previoiusly the requested only needed to be done on the first run. am assuming its just a beta thing
[04–01–2021 01:01 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 Nothing really
[04–01–2021 01:01 PM] ActuallyZach#0001 I would report a feedback about it
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[04–06–2021 01:06 PM] David Blue#1917 fuck. well it’s better to know than not. I have a personal drama regarding feedback submission… spent a good while very thoroughly documenting the peculiar/inconsistent responses to bluetooth keyboard commands within Safari (on iPhone, notably.) I did the full log file which took me like 3 days of trying to get it to upload correctly… and I even recorded a live-annotated screen recording of me reproducing it.
and… well. shall we see if it’s gotten any sort of acknowledgement, even, since the last time I looked? lmao
[04–13–2021 01:13 PM] David Blue#1917 I realize whining over lack of replies to one’s bug reports is absolutely absurd - or rather, that it would be absolutely absurd in any case not involving the most valuable company in the history of the world.
[04–15–2021 01:15 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I definitely don’t get replies to any feedback, that’s not really the point of the system. I get that it sucks but they just don’t use it to communicate back
[04–42–2021 01:42 PM] David Blue#1917 oh I don’t care if they respond to me. not one bit. it’s just quite clear from what I’ve learned from other developers recently that addressing the issue at all almost certainly hasnt happened.
[04–43–2021 01:43 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 It always depends on what it is. I’ve seen Apple engineers get to something that’s been on their list for years but just can’t fit in with other priorities
[04–46–2021 01:46 PM] David Blue#1917 and again… Apple just not doing stuff like marking the issue as received and understood because they just don’t do that cannot fly when we’re talking GDP levels of pure profit quarterly. it is embarrassing.
[04–47–2021 01:47 PM] David Blue#1917 also understand that… sorta. still gotta yell about it.
[04–47–2021 01:47 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 They make those profits because they don’t spend time responding to feedback and just fix it
[04–48–2021 01:48 PM] David Blue#1917 EXACTLY!!!
[04–49–2021 01:49 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 My point is that the value of each engineer is astronomical, and if they used this as ticketing system and not bug reporting they’d never get anything done.
They are whole jobs who just sort the reports, the engineers have thousands to prioritize with real feature
[04–50–2021 01:50 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 And also profit comes from charging for storage so those can’t be aligned to argue why they didn’t respond to your feedback
[04–51–2021 01:51 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I get it man, you just can’t hold it against them
[04–51–2021 01:51 PM] David Blue#1917 yeah I’m sorry to bring my specific abstract business rant in here lol… I fundamentally don’t understand the priorities behind proprietary software development at all.
[04–52–2021 01:52 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Working there taught me how much time it takes to do so little with development
[04–53–2021 01:53 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 That’s why it’s always iterative, and year after year we start to get amazing features built on the history of what’s already there. And a billion bugs come along with it, Apple has massive technical debt
[04–53–2021 01:53 PM] David Blue#1917 but documentation is an obligation and I will hold that against them mostly because I suspect basically everybody there would agree… yet those toys tho…
[04–53–2021 01:53 PM] David Blue#1917 thank god for apple bein slow lol
[04–54–2021 01:54 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I just wouldn’t assume stuff like that, that’s an ideal but not realistic at a scale they’re at. Their docs suck
[04–55–2021 01:55 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Apple’s system has tons of problems but it’s the one we have to work with, so I’m more focused on how to give them productive feedback and sharing it publicly and not getting hung up on one piece of it
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[04–58–2021 01:58 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Writing up something specific like that is a good way to bring attention to it, send it to Michael J Tsai
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[04–59–2021 01:59 PM] David Blue#1917 and thank god for that…. I’m gonna prioritize the open source stuff i beta test in terms of feedback, but I want to be more like you in that regard.
honestly if actual tech media hadn’t lost their jive when it comes to critically reporting on apple in a useful sense, i would be free to make my endless keyboard reference tables in peace.
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[04–59–2021 01:59 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I think individuals doing that is better than publications
[04–01–2021 02:01 PM] David Blue#1917 considering my Persistent Siri conundrum a while back… I’m starting to think my specific library/behavior/device even must have something to do with it. which I realize is probably what I should focus on.
[04–02–2021 02:02 PM] David Blue#1917 honestly tho the 15 year old in me loves nothing more than bugs like that happening at random lol
[04–02–2021 02:02 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 I have similar issues too, I do think occasionally resetting the device fully can help
[04–02–2021 02:02 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 Which also blows
[04–02–2021 02:02 PM] Matthew Cassinelli#1704 But I’d rather have it work
[04–05–2021 02:05 PM] David Blue#1917 yeah… my perspective on my cellular is completely off considering I do not leave my home.
[04–31–2021 04:31 PM] EconWriter#1131 Thanks for filing that feedback in such a detailed fashion. I’ve had the same problems with Safari in iOS, but was resigned to just living with it since I realize I’m an edge case who uses my iPhone in a very unique way (and I know you’re on that tail of the distribution with me). So thanks for putting the work in!
[04–40–2021 07:40 PM] David Blue#1917 that is basically my life purpose at this point so thank you. I have been thinking about the best way to bring together “people like us.” not like… in the annual convention sense (though that would make for one absolutely perplexing image for those who still don’t know/haven’t considered hehe.
a website, maybe? or maybe just a subreddit.
[04–42–2021 07:42 PM] David Blue#1917 not appropriate to continue on that here, but - if you haven’t tried out iOS 15 yet… i have bad news, I’m afraid. they seem to have broken calling spotlight with ‘ ⌘ + Spacebar ’ again…
[04–42–2021 07:42 PM] MEE6#4876 GG @David Blue, you just advanced to level 5!
[04–45–2021 07:45 PM] David Blue#1917 it always calls but doesn’t always deliver selection (cursor) back to the text field.
come to think of it, I should get on reporting this right now. ..
[05–11–2021 03:11 AM] quickfinga#4862 I have this problem since iOS 14 dev beta 1 and reported it. Never got fixed.
[05–28–2021 03:28 AM] David Blue#1917 can I ask how often? and on which sort of device?
[05–14–2021 04:14 AM] quickfinga#4862 iPad Pro 11 2020. Hard to say how often it happens…often enough that I filed feedback. 😅
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[05–45–2021 04:45 PM] David Blue#1917 now just imagine if that was your ONLY way of app switching!!! basically a dead stop on iPhone.
[05–50–2021 04:50 PM] David Blue#1917 when spotlight is working correctly, though, it is a truly incredible tool. I’ve gotten to the point where I figure I’m as fast at switching-by-searching as anyone should ever endeavor to be on their cellular lol.